In fact wether you move or not is irrelevant but if you do, you likely to even make your location more obvious by making noise or leaving tracks. You gotta guess where they are! You can't track invisible enemies for free. It then goes on to discuss what happens if you're 'guessing" their location as a result of them being unnoticed and unseen. So, 3 options, not just the single option you're hyperfixated on. ^ What's that say? What are the 3 ways it lists escaping being noticed? 1. If you are hidden-both unseen and unheard-when you make an attack, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses. When a creature can't see you, you have advantage on attack rolls against it. If the target isn't in the location you targeted, you automatically miss, but the DM typically just says that the attack missed, not whether you guessed the target's location correctly. This is true whether you're guessing the target's location or you're targeting a creature you can hear but not see. When you attack a target that you can't see, you have disadvantage on the attack roll. Just follow the rules:Ĭombatants often try to escape their foes' notice by hiding, casting the invisibility spell, or lurking in darkness. There are even rules for if you are guessing the correct location of not. You're suggesting that an invisible floating spectral creature in a zone of silence can be accurately and precisely targeted in combat 100% of the time. Meaning it's not automatic, even for invisible creature.ĭetecting the presence of an invisible creature is not automatic, no matter how much you claim to the contrary. All the official ruling does is reiterate hiding in combat requires the Hide action. I don't think there would be a question of it was about a game element that end the invisible condition upon attacking some don't and the condition itself doesn't end after attacking. The question has nothing to do with the Invisibility spell. If it was greater invis, they would not have become visible. "The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell." You became visible from attacking and the spell ended. Being hidden is the condition of being unseen and unheard.Īs for the Invisibility questions, the first does not say you have to hide to move quietly. The second says that hiding requires an action AND is after an action that revealed your position and likely ended the spell. If it satisfies reasonable gameplay in darkness, and satisfies reasonable gameplay in foliage, then isn't it a possibility that I may be right? Wouldn't my interpretation cover more ground more reasonably. I think peoples version of what they think a heavily obscured fog cloud actually looks like is not what they think it is, but whatever. I honestly fail to see why people think you can't see out of a fog cloud that's only 20ft deep. Which, actually may not even be much of an issue. That the obscurity levels of the area of what you are trying to affect are the rules you follow, not the levels that you are in. Why? because that is what it says. You don't think it is possible that maybe the most common issue being "wrong" as far as darkness, and many people ignoring the rule because of it maybe suspect? That perhaps the interpretation may be wrong? Because honestly, it works in almost every scenario as I state it.
But isn't that a little one dimensional? I am not changing anything or nitpicking. They eighter make you effectively blinded when trying to see in the area or it doesn't, Cant just nitpick and choose :)
That lighting is fine, that the interpretation I state lends itself to more reasonable activity in darkness, and therefore it is Fog cloud as only heavily obscured that is broken?īecause the rule don't make a distinction one way or another, it handle all heavily obscured the same way, so they either block vision or they don't. Why would or could it not be the other way around. Phandelver and Below: The Shattered ObeliskĪnd why do you give Fog the superior position and not darkness? As I understand it, you're saying that Fog cloud or fog gives your interpretation it's legitimacy, and because it conflicts with darkness, darkness is broken essentially. Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse
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